What is the difference between A194 grade 7 and grade 7L nuts?
A194 grade 7 nuts are commonly used nuts for both high temperature and low temperature applications, and is commonly paired with bolts made to either A193 or A320. When used in conjunction with A320 bolts in a low temperature application, or if specially requested, they are charpy tested to assure they will perform well in a low temperature environment. When that charpy test passes, the nuts are marked with an “L” to show that they have been tested. The same is true with A194 grade 4 and 4L nuts, although Grade 4 and 4L nuts are being withdrawn from the A194 standard by the ASTM committee due to lack of use and material availability.
In my opinion SA-194 Grade 7 exist, but SA-194 Grade 7L does not exist. If you look in the chemistry Table 1 grade 7L does not exist.
The L stands for impact testing.
“Does A194 Gr.7(Supplement S3) & A194 Gr.7L means the same product ?”
I agree in principle, but I would not call it “Gr. 7L”, since 7L is not listed in Table 1.
Can anyone else please comment / correct me ?
Thanks
@Tobias- we would tend to agree with you if we are talking letter of the law. However we see 7L called out often and I don’t think we would go so far as to say it is incorrect (since the nut marking is 7L), but A194 grade 7 supplement S3 is more correct and more specific since it will direct the supplier to read and understand the language of S3.
Dear Dane,
I would like to know the hardness difference between A194 Gr.7 & A194 Gr.7L nuts.
Does A194 Gr.7(Supplement S3) & A194 Gr.7L means the same product ?
Please clarify.
Thanks.
Regards
Sameer A. Kamble
@Sameer- A194 gr.7 S3 and 7L are the same thing. S3 is the official call-out, 7L is the nut marking. They are the same thing.
What are the differences in a 7 and 7L grade?
@Darab- The 7L nut has been charpy tested and is used in applications where cold temperatures are common.
good afternoon
I have a question
Can a Gr7L Nut be tempered? And if so, how should it be marked according to the standard? such as Gr7LM or Gr7ML
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINION THANK YOU VERY MUCH
@David- The A194 7L nut is tempered as part of its initial manufacturing process. If you are wanting to retemper in order to certify it to gr.7M, you will need to make sure all of the additional testing is understood. It would then be marked 7ML.
What about ASTM A194 grade 3 nuts?
Are grade 7 nuts equivalent to grade 3 nuts for use at elevated temperatures (1000 deg. F plus)?
@Dale- A194 grade 3 and grade 7 nuts are both for use at high temperatures, but they are not equivalent. They are made from very different steels, and should not be substituted for each other without approval from the project engineer.
Can Gr 7 bolts be used with Gr 7L nuts, or the other way around, i.e. Gr 7L bolts used with Gr 7 nuts, or must both the bolt and the nut be either 7 or 7L?
Which component is used to give to the material the impact resistance?
@Eli- A320 L7 bolts are required to have a charpy test performed, whereas for A194 gr.7 nuts, the charpy is a supplemental requirement. When the test has been performed, they are then marked and sold as A194 gr.7L nuts. ASTM recommends that charpy’d nuts be used with A320 L7 bolts, so A194 gr.7L nuts should be used. If you are using gr.7 nuts on other grades of bolt (like A193 B7 or B16), then the charpy test is not required and a standard grade 7 is acceptable.
As for what is added to give the bolts and nuts their impact resistance, we are not certain, but the -150F/-100C charpy can be a difficult one to achieve.
What does the “M” stand for or mean as applied to stud bolts?
@Brent- In regards to A193 B7M and A320 L7M for bolts, or A194 gr.2HM and gr.7M for nuts, the “M” designates a modified grade. The ‘M’ grades are slightly lower in strength than their non ‘M’ counterparts, and differ in that they are required to be 100% hardness tested. Additionally they are tempered at a higher temperature and have prohibitions on machining or cutting after the heat treat process is completed. The ‘M’ grades are for specialized applications and we are not asked for them very often.
@ thanks Dane, However understand the Gr 7L is not listed in the ASTM A194 standard.
Other hand Gr 7 is done with impact testing by default as per standard A703.
Best regards
Anjani
@Anjani- Grade 7L is listed in the supplemental requirements of A194. Supplement S3.
Are these bolts suitable to be used with stainless steel flanges? i.e. not cause galvanic corrosion?
@Sean- The largest variable in galvanic corrosion is the atmosphere. Metals will react differently in the presence of different catalysts i.e water, salt water, acids, etc. A metallurgist would need to be consulted in order to derive a complete answer for your question.
What are the differences in a 4L and 7L grade?
@Cade- The difference is chemistry. Mechanically they are identical, but the 4L is made from slightly different steel than the 7L.
is it ok, if we use grade 7L changing grade 4 for bolt A193 B16 nut’s requirement..
thanks Dane
@Andi- Normally, grade 7L nuts would be an acceptable alternative for grade 4. The ASTM committee has actually removed grade 4 from A194, so grade 7 will be the norm going forward.
hi dear
please send me about ” torque for astm a320 l 43 bolt 1 1/4″ -8″
thanks alot
@Mojtaba- Our torque tables are calculated based on the bolt yield strength. A320 L43 has the same yield as A193 B7, so you could use that table for your bolt.